Double interview: Competing interests, successful cooperation

Utrecht 木瓜福利影视 conducts research using laboratory animals, which the organisation Animal Rights opposes on principle. Even so, they鈥檝e cooperated successfully for years. Monique Janssens (Utrecht 木瓜福利影视) and Jen Hochmuth (Animal Rights) talk about the cooperation, in which mutual trust is key.

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Photo: Animal Rights

It started in 2014 with half-yearly consultations between the two organisations. 鈥淎nimal Rights saw our blind spots and asked critical questions鈥, Janssens explains. 鈥淭his helped us take a critical look at our work. We, in turn, had an opportunity to explain what we do on behalf of animal welfare.鈥 Mutual respect grew, with a concrete collaborative structure set up in 2020.

Adopting lab animals

Monique Janssens: 鈥淏oth of us were surprised that small-sized former lab animals, such as mice and rats, are put to death while large former lab animals, such as horses and dogs, are rehomed. Animals Rights immediately offered to assist if the university were willing to put former lab animals up for adoption. So that鈥檚 what we did. To convince policymakers, we began a small pilot without any long-term promises. This pilot, involving ten rats and fifteen mice, really caught on. Utrecht 木瓜福利影视 no longer puts any redundant lab animals to death.鈥

Jen Hochmuth: 鈥淚t鈥檚 great to see that so many people are willing to adopt a former lab animal. Each year, half a million lab animals die unnecessarily in the Netherlands: because they鈥檝e been bred but aren鈥檛 used, for example, or because the test has ended and they鈥檝e become redundant. It鈥檚 shocking.鈥

Setting an example

To date, over 1,670 former lab animals from Utrecht 木瓜福利影视 have been adopted. The adopted animals are mice, rats, chickens, goats, hamsters, zebra finches, a python and an iguana. In Hochmuth鈥檚 opinion, 鈥楿trecht 木瓜福利影视 is setting an example.鈥

鈥淲e鈥檙e now also in touch with other universities to set up an adoption project for small former lab animals. If there are any doubts about its feasibility, we point to Utrecht 木瓜福利影视 to show that it works.鈥

Solutions out of reach

鈥淲e can accomplish more by working with the university鈥, says Hochmuth. 鈥淎t Animal Rights we want to prevent the suffering of animals, but solutions are often out of reach. Together with the university, we can actually make a difference."

At first, researchers shy away from conversations with animals rights organisations

The cooperation also has added value for the university. 鈥淲ithout Animals Rights we could never have rehomed former lab animals鈥, Janssens explains. 鈥淭heir network is crucial. They recruit adopters from among their supporters, a large group of animal lovers. They also arranged for temporary shelter in rodent rescue Het Knagertje. The Dutch Society for the Protection of Animals also provides help. They place animal ads on the national website for shelter and adoption animals, ikzoekbaas.nl.鈥

Enriching each other鈥檚 knowledge

Sometimes they disagree, but they always look for the dialogue, even on sensitive issues.

Janssens: 鈥淪ome time ago, Animal Rights had a campaign against animal testing for research into cardiovascular disease. Utrecht researchers carry out this kind of testing and were alarmed at the campaign. I initiated a conversation between the researchers and the Animal Rights people in order to reduce the tension. At first, researchers often shy away from conversations with animals rights organisations. I explain that such conversations help each party understand the other better. What both organisations have in common is their passion for doing what鈥檚 right for people and animals. Following the conversation, Animal Rights corrected inaccurate information on its website, while the researchers reflected critically on the aspects Animal Rights found disturbing. They enriched each other鈥檚 knowledge and got closer to each other鈥檚 positions.鈥

Hochmuth: 鈥淩espectful exchange makes it clear that we often want to achieve the same things, even if our priorities aren鈥檛 always aligned.

A mediator trusted by both parties is indispensable

Mediation works

What is the top tip for a fruitful conversation? 鈥淎 mediator trusted by both parties is indispensable鈥, Hochmuth believes. 鈥淚鈥檇 like to pay a compliment to Monique here. We often have conversations with scientists, but many of those conversations aren鈥檛 constructive. At Utrecht 木瓜福利影视, Monique is the mediator, which helps immensely. So: thank you, Monique!鈥 Janssens laughs. 鈥淢ost people are very reasonable, we always find. I pay attention to equality and let each party respond to the other at the right time. I identify and clear up misunderstandings, which I鈥檓 able to do because I鈥檓 familiar with the facts and aware of each side鈥檚 concerns.鈥

Mutual trust

Do Janssens and Hochmuth have any tips? 鈥淕o for the dialogue鈥, Janssens stresses. 鈥淚n person, of course, not via video call. You have to get a feel for each other鈥檚 position and take the time needed.鈥 Hochmuth adds: 鈥淎nd follow up on the conversations. Don鈥檛 let good plans and ideas go to waste.鈥 Janssens has something else to add from her perspective as a communications consultant: 鈥淒on鈥檛 violate each other鈥檚 trust, and communicate jointly about joint projects. Discuss how you want to word things. Wrong wording can be hurtful and get in the way of cooperation. Mutual trust is essential.鈥

Text: Rosan Reusken

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